Using Subrogation

Winning Simple Quick Strategy for an Initial Court Appearance.

Using Subrogation and Do Not Consent.

The following is for the Public side of the Court.

After In-Chambers Trust is formed with you as Grantor then Subrogation will only be a formality.

Are you dealing in court with Traffic - Child support claims - Taxes - Lawsuits - Foreclosures in Court - or even Criminal (no damaged party situations only)- etc.?

Using Subrogation in court with Traffic Court, Student Loans, Mortgage Loans, Federal Tax Liens, B/C's, SS#, Court Cases (where those convicted where there is no injured party), Child Support Claims, Naturalization Papers, Marriage Certificates, Loan Numbers, MIN Numbers, Registered Mail Numbers, Bank Account Numbers, Driver License Numbers, IRS Liens, Other Liens, Other Commercial Paper etc.

Understand this well enough to be conversational about what you are doing, prior to use.

This is not a script, but a guideline.

NOT LEGAL ADVICE

When you must go to the court, one would want to not give the court an opportunity to arrest you for non-appearance.

A man can appear under special appearance to enter his Motion to dismiss.

Judges don't want this concept known, and BAR attorneys will NOT do this for you. This is something good to do early, before accepting an attorney. Or you may need to remove your attorney and at least demand they allow you to present this yourself. It might save you a lot of money and grief. Keep it simple, do not add to it.

This concept and thoughts, could perhaps be used along with a written NOTICE or Writ to the court, and recorded with the clerk of court before appearing, within hour of the appearance and serve a copy to the plaintiff as well before the hearing/court time. Fair notice is always required of all parties. This notice might be a variation of this text/script outline, as call it a Notice of Appearance, Writ or, Motion To Dismiss.

If you have a CUSIP securities report, include it as a exhibit for the record, and using the letter we have used for sending that report the clerk in advance... along with this notice and method of appearance. This WILL make them very nervous and perhaps upset. So, be prepared to read this during the appearance as well, and tell them you rest on your papers filed ...take them to court with you... Referencing what you recorded is often needed. Have a conversational understanding on these concepts before use, or they will easily throw you off to their agenda.

When called up. Come forward and say, 'I am here.' After introductions, and maybe giving your name as your God given name (first and last only) - say "Thank your kind invitation to appear today, I have a request of this honorable court, before I consent to proceed, I need to ask the court about some important things ...have you received my documents and filings? Then move onto...

1. Are these proceedings being recorded?

2. Judge is your bond and oath of office valid, current, up to date, and still in affect?

3. For the record please present your bond and oath of office to the court.

4. Is the Attorney bonded for this matter?

2. Identify as a man not as the liable trustee/surety for the NAME.

(1) "Then here is what I need to know, I am a man seeking remedy, by making a special appearance and not generally, and only appear for the purposes of a demur - with All Rights Reserved, under my God given name John Doe, as the beneficiary, for the legal entity

JOHN H. DOE (as indicated on their documents), not as the surety".

3. Jurisdiction controlling actions, which you can direct to the opposing attorney:

1. Don't let their lawyer speak until or unless he is on the witness stand.

2. Ask, Does the Attorney have a license to practice law in Florida, or does he have a certificate from the state supreme court to practice law as an occupation, or do business as a law firm?

3. Ask to see the lawyers bond.

4. Is the attorney a first hand eye witness?

5. Is there a first hand eye witness for a damaged party here today? I have a right to face my accuser is that not correct?

6. Is the Attorney the man I owe a debt to?

7. I am a man, so is there a verified claim against me?

8. What man claims that I wronged or harmed him?

9. Is the man that claims that I owe him a debt here today?

10. I demand to see the man I owe a debt to, on the stand, before I consent to proceed.

11. Your Honor, the attorney cannot prove the claim; therefore, I require a Dismissal for failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted.

4. Subrogation (don't forget this is the main questions to get to)

1. Further, I require to know this... since I am beneficiary to any trust or securities being administered here, will the plaintiff (or prosecutor if a criminal case), certify my right of subrogation in writing, please?

2. I do not consent to proceed until I receive this confirmation.

3. (What you are effectively saying here is that you are not going to be the surety to underwrite and become liable for the bonds created for the case, and stating you have the highest claim to any securities created in your name, as all courts do. You now own the case, and the bond, which the prosecution had to create in YOUR NAME.)

5. Then you follow up and say:

As beneficiary and with this subrogation in effect, I offer to have plaintiff (or prosecutor) or judge offset and discharge the case and settle the accounts, claims, complaints, and charges.

(In all cases there are "charges" or claims of debt owed. Stay on point, this request for certification to your right of subrogation, cannot be refused. You are not there to enter a plea or to proceed, until this subrogation matter is settled first).

6. If they do not comply and try to move forward say:

I remind the court, I do not consent to these proceedings, and your offers are not accepted.

OPTIONAL - If you previously appeared and entered a plea - consider adding this:

I withdraw any previous appearances and agreement entered under duress, I am here ONLY to address the subrogation question - and pose my question I require to know this... since I am beneficiary to any trust or securities being administered here, will the plaintiff (or prosecutor if a criminal case), certify my right of subrogation in writing, please.

7. Keep coming back to your point - Again I state, as beneficiary... Will the plaintiff (or prosecutor if a criminal case) certify my right of subrogation in writing please. (They may again defer or move to another issue, so repeat this again the 3rd time). I do not consent to proceeding and again I state, as beneficiary, will the plaintiff (or prosecutor if a criminal case) certify my right of subrogation in writing please?"

8. Then you may close the deal by saying.... I do not consent to being surety for this case and these proceedings. As beneficiary, I believe I DO have a right to subrogation that's being denied. (You often must hold on NOT proceeding or consenting several times). I demand the bond in my name be immediately brought forward, so I can see who will indemnify me if I am damaged.

9. Your honor who do I speak to about getting this handled and closed, is there in insurance claim form I need? (They will likely try anything to ignore you and play like they don't know what's going on. Or they may close the case, and try to get you out of there or reschedule.)

10. Do your best and politely repeat " I do not consent to proceed or re-schedule, as I see no reason this cannot be settled, satisfied, and discharged now." The court and prosecutors have full authority to settle this and the liability to do it now.

MAYBE say at the end, if they try to move this down the road to a later time..."to stay in honor and in the spirit of fair play, I offer the prosecutor 72 hours to comply or submit their indemnity bond for my claim. When shall I receive this bond?"

REMEMBER - They will do all they can to ignore the issue, demure to something else, and proceed to enter a plea for you. Just watch them try - so be sure to remind them " I do not consent UNTIL you comply with my request regarding subrogation."

If they enter a plea, request to see the "written power of attorney where you granted them authority to enter a plea for you".

You are there to close it out today, not to let them roll over you. If they threaten contempt (as they sometimes do), keep your cool and ask if you are entitled to due process or not? You are only there for YOUR result not theirs. Get a settlement, set-off, and dismissal.

A follow up letter of demand for subrogation could be sent to the prosecutor/plaintiff after 72 hours that way.

Possible later action, Submit a claim against the Attorney for trespass and fraud.

In many of the examples, members have told us about, the judge reportedly dismissed the case, and told the man or woman to leave the court. If you give up too easily, they can get you for contempt ONLY to get you to give up your positions. Be ready for that. A few days in jail is better than years of litigation or worse. When they see this life changing event using subrogation now hanging over their head (by making them liable), they may schedule you to the end of the day, so others will not see this process. This rescheduling to the end game happens a lot. After one reported event like this, the judge told everyone to go home, and he closed court for the day. He said the court will not open until the next day. He then left the court. We also have audio testimonials of this being used.

The judge WILL likely try to move on to other proceedings or get you engaged in other things or issues, so be ready for them to distract and dissuade you. Get these items resolved and stay on point to close the deal in a few moments.

If you did utilize an attorney, tell them you intend to write a letter privately to the judge and ask him to submit your demand. But it's better if you speak the words. It is FAR more powerful if you say it.

If they do push you into getting a public defender or a private attorney or you seem stuck, and it is a criminal charge only, in that case, accept the public defender then contact me at crypto3669@gmail.com for an ongoing way to kick the case out (extra private coaching fees apply). You can still come back and do this again, but be sure YOU speak the words into the record.

Ongoing knowledge if the KEY to handle jurisdictional and void judgment methods, and it is still needed if using this method in case they railroad you.

No one can make a guarantee to every situation, but if you understand the legal logic, this should work well. It will NOT likely work in criminal matters where a real damaged party or endangered party is involved. We do not support those who endanger others.

(This is) Not Legal Advice and None is Offered

Subrogation - Very important concept to understand as ALL court cases are actually commercial transactions (even if criminal), and they make a claim to YOUR securities to settle the "charges" or claims, because you failed to.

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What is SUBROGATION? http://thelawdictionary.org/subrogation

What is SUBROGATION?

The substitution of one thing for another, or of one person into the place of another with respect to rights, claims, or securities. Subrogation denotes the putting a third person who has paid a debt in the place of the creditor to whom he has paid it, so as that he may exercise against the debtor all SUBROGATION 1117 SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGES the rights which the creditor, if unpaid, might have done. Brown. The equity by which a person who is secondarily liable for a debt, and has paid it, is put in the place of the creditor, so as to entitle to make use of all the securities and remedies possessed by the creditor, in order to enforce the right of exoneration as against the principal debtor, or of contribution against others who are liable in the same rank as himself. John Doe Esq.

MAIN Title 11: UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE

Article 5-A: LETTERS OF CREDIT

�5-1117. Subrogation of issuer, applicant and nominated person (1). An issuer that honors a beneficiary's presentation is subrogated to the rights of the beneficiary to the same extent as if the issuer were a secondary obligor of the underlying obligation owed to the beneficiary and of the applicant to the same extent as if the issuer were the secondary obligor of the underlying obligation owed to the applicant.

(2). An applicant that reimburses an issuer is subrogated to the rights of the issuer against any beneficiary, presenter or nominated person to the same extent as if the applicant were the secondary obligor of the obligations owed to the issuer and has the rights of subrogation of the issuer to the rights of the beneficiary stated in subsection (1).

(3). A nominated person who pays or gives value against a draft or demand presented under a letter of credit is subrogated to the rights of:

(a). The issuer against the applicant to the same extent as if the nominated person were a secondary obligor of the obligation owed to the issuer by the applicant;

(b). The beneficiary to the same extent as if the nominated person were a secondary obligor of the underlying obligation owed to the beneficiary; and

(c). The applicant to the same extent as if the nominated person were a secondary obligor of the underlying obligation owed to the applicant.

(4). Notwithstanding any agreement or term to the contrary, the rights of subrogation stated in subsections (1) and (2) do not arise until the issuer honors the letter of credit or otherwise pays and the rights in subsection (3) do not arise until the nominated person pays or otherwise gives value. Until then, the issuer, nominated person, and the applicant do not derive under this section present or prospective rights forming the basis of a claim, defense or excuse.

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The substitution of one thing for another, or of one person into the place of another with respect to rights, claims, or securities.

Subrogation denotes the putting a third person who has paid a debt in the place of the creditor to whom he has paid it, so as that he may exercise against the debtor all SUBROGATION 1117 SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGES the rights which the creditor, if unpaid, might have done. Brown. The equity by which a person who is secondarily liable for a debt, and has paid it, is put in the place of the creditor, so as to entitle(d) to make use of all the securities and remedies possessed by the creditor, in order to enforce the right of exoneration as against the principal debtor, or of contribution against others who are liable in the same rank as himself. Bisp. Eq.

SUBROGATION: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/subrogation

The Substitution of one person in the place of another with reference to a lawful claim, demand, or right, so that he or she who is substituted succeeds to the rights of the other in relation to the debt or claim, and its rights, remedies, or Securities.

There are two types of subrogation: legal and conventional.

Legal subrogation arises by operation of law, whereas conventional subrogation is a result of a contract.

The purpose of subrogation is to compel the ultimate payment of a debt by the party who, in Equity and good conscience, should pay it. This subrogation is an equitable device used to avoid injustice.

Legal subrogation takes place as a matter of equity, with or without an agreement. The right of legal subrogation can be either modified or extinguished through a contractual agreement. It cannot be used to displace a contract agreed upon by the parties. Conventional subrogation arises when one individual satisfies the debt of another as a result of a contractual agreement that provides that any claims or liens that exist as security for the debt be kept alive for the benefit of the party who pays the debt. It is necessary that the agreement be supported by consideration; however, it does not have to be in writing and can be either express or implied.

(COMMENT. This is what you get yourself into in court.)

The facts of each case determine the issue of whether or not subrogation is applicable. In general, the remedy is broad enough to include every instance in which one party, who is not a mere volunteer, pays a debt for which a second party is primarily liable and which, in equity and good conscience, should have been discharged by the second party.

Subrogation is a highly favored remedy that the courts are inclined to extend and apply liberally.

The ordinary equity maxims are applicable to subrogation, which is not permitted when there is an adequate legal remedy. The plaintiff must come into court with clean hands, and the person who seeks equity must do equity. +The remedy is not available when there are equal or superior equities in other individuals who are in opposition to the party seeking subrogation. The remedy is denied when the person seeking subrogation has interfered with the rights of others, committed Fraud, or been negligent.

The right to subrogation accrues upon payment of the debt. The subrogee is generally entitled to all the creditor's rights, privileges, priorities, remedies, and judgments and is subject only to whatever limitations and conditions were binding on the creditor. He does not, however, have any more extensive rights than the creditor.

This applies directly to any court "charge", you have the highest equitable claim to matters involving your NAME estate which the court has made an account out of Therefore, requiring the plaintiff/prosecutor to "certify your right to subrogation " is the right move. Keep THIS simple.

This turns the tables, makes you plaintiff, and orders them to settle the accounts (or you should order them after you ask). This has been tested live in court and is quite effective if you follow through.

Optional idea we have thought of trying - one MAY be able to write a private letter to the judge as well simply asking:

Will the plaintiff (or prosecutor) certify my right of subrogation (do so in writing please)?

If you already have an attorney show him what you plan to send to the judge. The attorney will likely run from this approach and discourage you, as it exposes the game they are all playing together. Then send this letter privately from you to the judge in chambers, signed as the living soul (LS).

Do not let them stop you from exercising your right of subrogation, you must demand it to get it.

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Jurisdiction controlling actions:

Note: DO NOT let the Plaintiff's lawyer speak unless he is on the witness stand.

"Does the Attorney have a license to practice law in (your state)?" or "does he have a certificate from the state supreme court to practice law as an occupation, or do business as a law firm?"

"May I see the lawyers bond?"

"Is the attorney a first hand eye witness?"

"Is there a first hand eye witness for a damaged party here today?"

"I have a right to face my accuser is that not correct?"

"Is the Attorney the man I owe a debt to?"

"I am a man, is there a verified claim against me?"

"What man claims that I wronged, harmed or injured him?

"Is the man that claims that I owe him a debt here today?"

"I demand to see the man I owe a debt to, on the stand, before I consent to proceed."

"Your Honor, the attorney cannot prove the claim; therefore, I require a Dismissal for failure to state a claim for which relief can be granted."

Subrogation

"Further, I require to know this.

"Since I am beneficiary to any trust or securities being administered here, will the plaintiff (or prosecutor if a criminal case), certify my right of subrogation in writing, please?"

"I do not consent to proceed until I receive this confirmation."

Note: What you are effectively saying here is that you are not going to be the surety to underwrite and become liable for the bonds created for the case, and stating you have the highest claim to any securities created in your name, as all courts do. You now own the case, and the bond, which the prosecution had to create in YOUR NAME.

Then you follow up and say:

"As beneficiary and with this subrogation in effect, I require an officer of this court offset and discharge the case and settle the accounts, claims, complaints, and charges."

Note: In all cases there are "charges" or claims of debt owed. Your request for certification to your right of subrogation, cannot be refused. You are not there to enter a plea or to proceed, until this subrogation matter is settled first.

If they do not comply and try to move forward say:

"I remind the court, I do not consent to these proceedings, and your offers are not accepted."

Note: As an option you could send the court a written NOTICE or Writ to the court, court before appearing. This is a Notice of Appearance, Writ or, Motion To Dismiss.

"Again I state, as beneficiary." "Will the plaintiff/ prosecutor certify my right of subrogation in writing please."

Note: They may defer or move to another issue, so repeat this again the 3rd time. "I do not consent to proceeding and again I state, as beneficiary, will the plaintiff/prosecutor certify my right of subrogation in writing please?"

Then you may close the deal by saying....

"I do not consent to being surety for this case and these proceedings. As beneficiary, I believe I DO have a right to subrogation that's being denied."

You often must repeat.. "I remind the court, I do not consent to these proceedings, and your offers are not accepted."

"I demand the bond in my name be immediately brought forward, so I can see who will indemnify me if I am damaged."

"Your honor who do I speak to about getting this handled and closed, is there in insurance claim form I need?"

Note: They will likely try anything to ignore you and play like they don't know what's going on. Or they may close the case, and try to get you out of there or reschedule.

Do your best and politely repeat "I do not consent to proceed or re-schedule, as I see no reason this cannot be settled, satisfied, and discharged now." The court and prosecutors have full authority to settle this and the liability to do it now.

If they try to move this down the road to a later time...To stay in honor and in the spirit of fair play:

"I offer the prosecutor 72 hours to comply or submit their indemnity bond for my claim. When shall I receive this bond?"

REMEMBER - They will do all they can to ignore the issue, demure to something else, and proceed to enter a plea for you. Just watch them try - so be sure to remind them "I do not consent UNTIL you comply with my request regarding subrogation."

If they enter a plea, request to see the written power of attorney where you granted them authority to enter a plea for you.

Always be ready for some push back or avoidance of the issue. Stay on these main points above, and politely remind them we cannot proceed until these issues are addressed. It may not be fatal to do this later in a case appearance, but do it at the earliest possible time, get this on the record. The judge WILL likely try to move on to other proceedings or get you engaged in other things or issues, so be ready for them to distract and dissuade you. Get these items resolved and stay on point to close the deal in a few moments.

Not Legal Advice and None is Offered.

ALL court cases are actually commercial transactions (even if criminal), and they make a claim to YOUR securities to settle the "charges" or claims, because you failed to do so.

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More on Subrogation

What is Subrogation?

The substitution of one thing for another, or of one person into the place of another with respect to rights, claims, or securities. Subrogation denotes the putting a third person who has paid a debt in the place of the creditor to whom he has paid it, so as that he may exercise against the debtor all the rights which the creditor, if unpaid, might have done. The equity by which a person who is secondarily liable for a debt, and has paid it, is put in the place of the creditor, so as to entitle to make use of all the securities and remedies possessed by the creditor, in order to enforce the right of exoneration as against the principal debtor, or of contribution against others who are liable in the same rank as himself.

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The substitution of one thing for another, or of one person into the place of another with respect to rights, claims, or securities.

Subrogation denotes the putting a third person who has paid a debt in the place of the creditor to whom he has paid it, so as that he may exercise against the debtor all the rights which the creditor, if unpaid, might have done. Brown. The equity by which a person who is secondarily liable for a debt, and has paid it, is put in the place of the creditor, so as to entitled to make use of all the securities and remedies possessed by the creditor, in order to enforce the right of exoneration as against the principal debtor, or of contribution against others who are liable in the same rank as himself.

Subrogation

There are two types of subrogation: legal and conventional.

Legal subrogation arises by operation of law, whereas conventional subrogation is a result of a contract.

The purpose of subrogation is to compel the ultimate payment of a debt by the party who, in Equity and good conscience, should pay it. This subrogation is an equitable device used to avoid injustice.

Note: The facts of each case determine the issue of whether or not subrogation is applicable. In general, the remedy is broad enough to include every instance in which one party, who is not a mere volunteer, pays a debt for which a second party is primarily liable and which, in equity and good conscience, should have been discharged by the second party.

Subrogation is a highly favored remedy that the courts are inclined to extend and apply liberally.

Note: This applies directly to any court "charge", you have the highest equitable claim to matters involving your NAME estate which the court has made an account out of Therefore, requiring the plaintiff/prosecutor to "certify your right to subrogation " is the right move.

This turns the tables, makes you plaintiff, and orders them to settle the accounts.

Optional idea we have thought of trying - one MAY be able to write a private letter to the judge as well simply asking:

"Will the plaintiff (or prosecutor) certify my right of subrogation? " "Do so in writing please"

Do not let them stop you from exercising your right of subrogation, but you must demand it to get it.

I can supply CUSIP details for

==== Student Loans, Mortgage Loans, Federal Tax Liens, B/C's, SS#, Court Cases (where those convicted where there is no injured party), Child Support Claims, Naturalization Papers, Marriage Certificates, Loan Numbers, MIN Numbers, Registered Mail Numbers, Bank Account Numbers, Driver License Numbers, IRS Liens, Other Liens, Other Commercial Paper ====

and discharge/settle the account with equitable subrogation which allows the surety to step into the shoes as plaintiff and assert the rights of those entities to whom or on whose behalf the surety has performed or made payment.

Example Publicly Traded Security CUSIP
JOHN DOE
Court Case Number (CC x:xx-CV-xxxxx)
Fidelity Advisor Biotechnology Fund Symbol: FBTAX
CUSIP: xxxxxxxxx
Inception Date: 12/27/2000
Net Assets: $2,559,000,000.00 as of 4/30/2018
Portfolio Assets: $2,559,000,000.00 as of 4/30/2018

With a CUSIP securities report (as seen above), you can use it to offset and discharge the case and settle the accounts, claims, complaints, and charges.

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